I want to start off by first noting just how rare it is that I write an entire post specifically about a single app. I could probably count the number of times I’ve done that in 6 years on one hand.
I simply find that most of the good apps out there are already known, and most of the others tend to suck be less awesome. Nonetheless, I get bombarded with devs wanting me to post about their apps.
Many of them believing that a 99 cent redeemable app code will entice me (C’mon, I buy $400 watches to support readers in reviews, I think I can afford 99 cents!). So, this afternoon while reading through e-mail I saw another app, and almost tossed it into the bin of things I won’t be reviewing. But after poking around the link I was actually surprised – it claimed to do something I hadn’t seen before: Real-time analysis of your bike fit – including angles and distances.
So, I re-arranged my entire living room to try it out. Why did I have to do that you ask? Well, it turns out that in order to get far enough away from my bike to get the full view I had to go about 10 feet away. Or, approximately 1 foot from the wall.
In fact, the camera taking this photo was literally up against the wall shooting somewhat blindly. Next, after getting my phone in the right position I cracked open the app and got the wheels lined up using the red circles. It wasn’t quite an exactly perfect fit, but I made it work as best as possible.
(Update: A few people have asked how I attached the iPhone to the tripod. I use a tiny, which can also double as a way to keep the phone upright simply on a desk/flat surface (balances it). I always have it in my backpack so if I need to take shots somewhere I can without a tripod.) Then, I set the self-timer. You can set how long to wait, as well as how long a video to record. In my case, I went with the 30s for both. Then, I ran to my bike and pedaled.
This part wasn’t terribly exciting. After pedaling, I went back to the app, and it was ready. At this point you’ve got a drop-down menu of different angles you can have the app spit out at you. These are all common fit angles that are most often used to describe bike positions: Picking a common one, I then can see what it believes my angles were. In some cases, they’re near perfect: But in others, I may need to adjust them slightly (like where it selects my hip, so I adjusted it): To adjust them, I highlight the green glowing blob, which moves the piece connected to it.
This is moderately brilliant because it means you can actually see what’s being moved – as opposed to having said spot be directly under your finger. I also zoom in and modify things: Within the video, I can easily move it frame by frame using the dial on the left hand side – like a scrolling wheel.
Again, this works exceptionally well and is a thousand times better than trying to play ‘drag a dot’ on a line. As I add measurements, it’ll tell me about 5-7 paragraphs about each measurement, including general guidance on acceptable ranges. Of course, there can always be exceptions, but this should you understand if you’re in the ballpark: In addition to angles the app can also do distance measurements. All you’ll need to do is tell it some random distance of your choosing on the bike, and the measurement of that distance. Great comment Chris, I totally agree with your comments, as well as the inaccuracies of the measurement of the angles. If the ‘dots’ get placed incorrectly (that is a big red circle covering a reasonable amount of surface area) and error will be introduced. Although DC does point out it should not replace a qualified fit and then can be used for confirmation.
My question is: Is there an English version of your article? As I am keen to read it. Regards, Ray Boardman Director & Head Coach (and avid reader of DC Rainmaker) Qwik Kiwi. Hi Chris and Ray B. You bring up a good point about the red dot being large enough to not be able to accurately place it. We address this by hollowing out the red dot and making it a circle when you use the green handle to activate the line and place the dot. You can see an example on the first screen shot on the Apple marketing page.
Here’s a link: This allows you to use the point created by the two lines to accurately place the dot. If you have ideas to make it better let us know. We are working on a list of ideas for version 2.0. Hi Mark, The red alignment outline is only used to help the user properly align the camera and the bike.
During development we found we typically setup the camera too close and cut off our head (well in the video and not actually.) We added to alignment to make setup easier. The angle and measurement tools will work with any type of trainer.
During development we tested it by using the app to capture video from You Tube videos of bike races. The angles worked even with this method.
Happy to answer any questions or comments. I have started playing with dynamic bike fits. I use a gopro and free software for the laptop called kinovea. Overcomes almost all the shortcomings dc listed. Also with the wide angle lense and high framerate allows usage in confined spaces and less blurring. I then output the overlay images with angles etc. To a word doc report to keep track of things.
Much like what you’d get from Retul I’d imagine but with all free software and some basic hardware. But an experienced person understanding the body physiology and fit techniques driving these type of tools is the key. Having said that, for a quick and dirty check of position, this app looks great! As others have mentioned using stickers on the hip, knee and ankle points and getting the app to recognise these should be the next development. This is what the Specialised BG Fit system is based around. The problem with this system is it takes a few measurements of an individual and tries to fit these to an internal model which represents an average body and then calculate bike dimensions from this. This is OK if you happen to have a body which matches this average but if you’re outside this model then it can produce wrong data.
Nice review of a very usefull app. Through I’m very cautious with these kind of apps because now everyone can fiddle around thinking what they do is correct without having any proper knowledge of matters.
One thing I miss in the comments though is the measurement error because of the size of the images. I’ve read an article (don’t really know who wrote it, just since a couple of months started saving interesting articles) of a comparison between the reliability of retul vs video capture. Video capture had a pretty impressive measurement error because you have to place the markers in the correct place on a computer screen. The size is with a big screen max 30×20 cm’s or so? That implies that when you place the marker on screen 1 mm off, it will represent a couple of mm’s on the body. Just imagine what 1mm on an iPhone screen will be in terms of measurement error. I’m not implying that this app is useless, on the contrary (the pro’s have been mentioned before, I don’t have to repeat them i think), just be cautious with these things.
Greetings from rainy Holland, Jacob Wijnstra. If I may I’d like to address some of the statements above on Retul. For full disclosure, I am an experienced bike fitter with experience spanning 30 years, and I use Retul hardware and software, amongst other tools, when fitting.
I’m also a competitive cyclist and licensed professional engineer with a masters degree in mechanical engineering. Firstly, this is a very cool app! I certainly see a lot of wonky positions out there and this tool has the potential to help a lot of people find a better position on their bike. I’m intrigued and definitely buying it. Secondly, it is not a Retul replacement.
Retul is dynamic (collects data while you are pedaling), it is real-time (not based on post-processing of video), it works in three dimensions (not a side view), and it is highly accurate (sub-mm). This app, while a cool and potentially useful tool, is none of these things. On the claim above that Retul is a marketing company, I invite the poster to do a bit of Google research on this as the fact is that the creators of Retul are very clever folks with both sport science and technical backgrounds, and quite deep ones at that. The post above stating that Retul “takes a few measurements of an individual and tries to fit these to an internal model which represents an average body” is completely incorrect. Retul is a tool that presents large amounts of data (over 25 measurements per data capture, and one would conduct many data captures per fitting) for interpretation by a qualified fitter. It is essentially a very sophisticated plumb bob, ruler, and goniometer. Thanks for the review Ray.
I’m a huge fan. Nice to have someone with authority to shout down those without knowledge. I just did the Retul fitting form my training bike, Crit bike and MTB bike. It is very impressive stuff. Found the (major brand) saddle I use on the crit bike had collapsed on one side, hence my left knee being closer to the top tube. Also found the BG fit settings I had done 18 month prior positioned me a long way back on the bike.
I also like the new cleat position and the discussions over stretching and looking after myself off the bike. I like this APP because I can show my wife what she looks like on the bike and also the measurements and angles so she believes me when I say we need to adjust the posture. Will use this app with cycling friends on the local club as an anti injury aid. Hi Gerard, Terry from Bike Fast Fit here. Thank you for your patience. Android is in development (really).
We expect release in late May or early June. We are slower with the Android release then we intended at first due to some of the ideas for enhancements we’ve received from users. We want to incorporate many of your product ideas and this caused us to undertake some redesigns of the base structure in order to setup the infrastructure for future product enhancements.
Thanks for your patience. I replaced several components including saddle and aerobars since my last fit and had unintentionally moved further forward than I realized. Wish I would have taken a baseline with the app a year ago before the changes. Now I’m adjusting my position back in small increments over time and taking shots at each step. A suggestion to the app developer – it would be cool to be able to manually flag a measurement that you are concerned about so that you could see at a glance which ones are “out” from the list. As they are interdependent it would aid in pointing to common cause.
Thanks for a great tool. I just paid for a Retul fit and can say it looks like this app + the knowledge I learned about cleat position from Retul and you have a bike fit option to help your buddies out. Even amateur clubs where riders cannot easily spring the 250 for the retul fit can be helped and possibly saved from injury. I say this because having a video of themselves is SO important in getting across to them that the posture they currently have sucks.
They know what others look like on a bike but not themselves. Awesome that you take the time to create such a good read too!!! Just another idea. The user guide should include advising the test rider to use stick on dots like they use at the bike fits to mark each of the joins locations.
This will make it easier to measure the angles on the captured video. Locations were: outside little toe (5th metatarsal), heel outside at same level on the side of the shoe as the metatarsal spot, ankle bone, knee hinge point, hip hinge point, shoulder hinge point, outside of the elbow hinge point, wrist bone outside, 1st knuckle on index finger. Get these right and you are in for an awesome fit.
The first Android app to offer a genuine do-it-yourself bike fit session. Listed among the ' Best Cycling Apps For Android' – bikeradar.com 2015 The app is designed to help you achieve a good fit on your existing road bike or time trial/triathlon bike. Apart from your bike and your phone/tablet, all you need is:. Two simple measurements (effective top tube length and crank arm length). Something to lean against once on your bike eg. Wall, fence – turbo trainer not required. The app will guide you to take just two photos – it is helpful to have a friend to assist with the second of these although there is also a self-timer option. To help you pinpoint the relevant image data points there is an Automatic Recognition Process that enhances the convenience of the bike fit session.
Manually fine tune the data point setting with a straightforward drag and drop approach. Receive a bespoke Report Card detailing twelve statistics (see screenshot). Suggestions for adjusting your bike are made with reference to target ranges for the most important fit parameters. Share your bike fit results with others via email (pictures included). Why not use with a bunch of mates on your next group ride!
Legal statement: Roadie is a UK registered trademark. Mantapix Ltd reserves all rights. Certain icons sourced from Yannick, Freepik and Daniel Bruce at www.flaticon.com. Not at all accurate Told me I needed to raise my seat by 0.7cm and move my seat back by 2cm. I thought best to do one first and then the other. So I raised my seat and went through the long process of taking another picture, setting the points as the app just isn't capable of working these out, only for it to tell me I need to lower my seat by 2cm and move it forward by 0.5cm! The points on my body chosen were identical in both sessions as I stuck stickers on my knee, hip and ankle so am scratching my head a little.
I've got a Sony xperia and I'm changing my review,I was very upset paying this money at first and it didn't work submitted my reports when it crashed and with in a week the developer answered my review and fixed the bug in the app and released an update, my opinion if you complain about apps make sure you submit your device report when it crashes. To the developer of this app you people are truly the best development team I've come across and you take each client seriously, as a cyclist I'm very impressed. Can't believe how well this worked I'm in my late 40's & have ridden bikes all my life, I thought I knew what suited me, turns out I don't know Jack. The seat on my cross bike (guinea pig to try this app) needed moving 0.9cm up & 2.9cm forward! What a difference. The extra power in the saddle is unreal, combined with no knee or hamstring pain now at all on the 64 mile 4400ft climbing test ride I just did (normally have niggles at 45+ miles.
& a longer lower stem has as good as cured lower back pain. Stunning app.